Bob Carlson

December 17, 2014

An Interview with Jeffrey Gundlach

Filed under: Income Investing — Bob @ 9:20 am

This interview with the DoubleLine Fund founder is better than most because it lets him talk without a letting of editing or interruption. He has very entertaining and candid thoughts on where most investors went wrong in 2014 and the effects of Bill Gross’s leaving PIMCO.

People pull their money out of bonds when they should’ve been putting money into them. The greatest example is my hedge fund. Last December, I did a call for my LP, the hedge fund. And I told the investors that we are going to make money on bonds because rates are probably going to fall and I took the duration to 9. And an investor said, “What?” And I said, “Yeah, I think we’re going to make money on bonds. Profits.” And the guy says, “I don’t want to be long the 10-year (Treasury).” I remember one guy specifically said that. And I said, “we’re not long the 10-year. we own other things but we do have a duration that’s longer than the 10-year by a little bit.” And the guy said, “Forget it, I am pulling my money out.” And I said, “I thought you wanted me to manage your money with my highest-conviction best ideas?” And the investor said, “yeah, that’s true but not when your ideas are stupid?” That fund is going to be up potentially 20% this year. It’s already up 17 and change through November. So a third of the investors nearly pulled their money out because I allow redemptions on a 45-day notice at month end. And so 30% of investors pulled their money out. and They’re like: “We’re not interested in this bond thing. we hate interest rate risk.” I said, “Well, I am not going to be second guessed on this. You can second guess me on other strategies but not in my best ideas strategies.” I’m not going to be moved by the fact that you don’t like it.

December 15, 2014

Lending Club Analyzed

Filed under: Income Investing — Bob @ 9:30 am

One option people have to invest for higher income is to make loans to individuals, and there are several web sites designed to help. The web sites seek out people who want to borrow money, and they give investors the opportunity to choose to whom they want to lend money. Here’s an analysis of this opportunity from Bill McBride of Calculated Risk blog. Take a look and see if it is for you.

Would you make an unsecured personal loan to an individual so they can pay off $14,000 in credit card debt? If so, at what interest rate (the credit card debt is at 17%). The person has a 15 year credit history, a FICO score of 699, an annual income of $73,000 and a DTI of 17% (excluding mortgage debt).

December 12, 2014

Four Strategies for Secure Retirement Income

Filed under: Annuities,Income Investing — Bob @ 6:20 pm

William Baldwin of Forbes looked for ways to generate $40,000 annually for 25 years, taking very low risk. All the strategies work, though some are harder to implement than others. Of course, the costs vary. One point to consider is that there’s no inflation protection. Another point is that the cash flow isn’t all income and capital gains. It also includes a return of some or all of your principal, so you could run out of money after 25 years. If nothing else, it’s a good thought exercise, and some of the ideas you aren’t going to hear from your average financial professional.

The purpose of this exercise is to help someone who has just turned 70 liquidate an IRA. Not long after you pass that age, you have to start pulling money out. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to use your IRA to create a guaranteed income stream, lasting to age 95, to cover basic expenses like food and rent.

“Income” is used loosely here to mean a flow of cash. It does not mean profit. Most of the annual 40K you’re hauling in is returning principal. The interest income on safe fixed-income portfolios is very meager. For that you can thank the funny-money people at the Fed.

December 4, 2014

More on the PIMCO Soap Opera

Filed under: Asset Allocation,Income Investing — Bob @ 9:30 am

Bloomberg.com has what probably is the final comprehensive story of the behind the scenes maneuvering that occurred before Bill Gross made his dramatic departure from PIMCO earlier in 2014. The story doesn’t add a lot of new information. But it does try to put events in sequence and adds a few more details. The key question, which isn’t fully answered in any of these stories, is to what extent Gross and the PIMCO leadership were negotiating to downsize Gross’s role at PIMCO and whether Gross’s offers to take a reduced role were believable to the others.

Gross spent much of the past year hunting down employees who he believed were leaking information about the internal clashes to the press, according to the interviews. Among them were money managers Andrew Balls, one of Gross’s newly appointed deputy investment chiefs, and Joshua Thimons. Gross tried to fire both but his effort was thwarted by Pimco’s new CEO Douglas Hodge, 57, and President Jay Jacobs.

On at least three occasions, Gross proposed to step back as tensions within Pimco worsened.

November 7, 2014

Interest Rates to Stay Low

Filed under: Asset Allocation,Income Investing,Investing — Bob @ 1:20 pm

Two guys who’ve been right on interest rates longer than probably anyone are Lacy Hunt and Van Hoisington of Hoisington Management. The scholarship and depth of their quarterly shareholder letters makes them worth reading. Their latest quarterly letter continues the theme of past letters. Interest rates are going to stay low and bonds will be good investments, because economic growth is slow, the velocity of money is slow, and there’s no indication these trends are likely to change.

The risk of outright deflation in Europe
with inflation at such low levels, and the danger
of similar developments in the U.S., should not
be minimized as inflation has fallen in almost
every previous U.S. and European economic
contraction. Lower inflation is, in fact, almost as
much of a hallmark of recessions as is decreasing
real GDP. From peak-to-trough the rate of CPI
inflation fell by an average of slightly more than
300 basis points in and around the mild U.S.
recessions of 1990-91 and 2000-01. Starting
from a much lower point, the CPI in Europe at
those same times dropped by an average of 150
basis points. Given that inflation is already so
minimal in both the U.S. and Europe, even the
mildest recession could put both economies in
deflation.

October 15, 2014

Avoid Outliving Your Money

Filed under: Annuities,Cash Management,Income Investing — Bob @ 5:20 pm

Here’s a short, sweet essay on the case for using some annuities in your retirement portfolio along with a couple of ideas about how to use the annuities. It’s not new to Retirement Watch readers, but it’s a good, concise briefing.

For years, many economists have recommended that workers use all their retirement savings to buy life annuities in order to avoid outliving their savings. Nevertheless, few workers want to put their whole retirement nest egg into a life annuity.

Why? In one word, optionality. Retired workers want to have substantial resources available to deal with medical emergencies or unexpected disasters during their retirement years. Alternatively, retired workers want to bequeath any remaining savings at death to their families, friends and favorite charities. However, if workers buy a life annuity, all payments typically end at death — even if it occurs shortly after retirement.

October 10, 2014

Bill Gross Still is Pessimistic

Filed under: Income Investing — Bob @ 5:20 pm

He’s moved from PIMCO to Janus, but Bill Gross still is fairly pessimistic about investment returns in coming years. In his latest investment commentary, the first at Janus, as in his previous commentaries at PIMCO, Gross says we’re in a different financial era. The credit-expanding, asset-inflating era that began in the late 1970s or early 1980s is behind us. Now, we have a hangover and are recovering. The recovery will last quite a while, he says. He also includes an introductory note briefly explaining his move from PIMCO to Janus.

Let me address the most obvious question first: Why did I leave PIMCO? Had there been a reasonable way to continue there, I would have stayed to my last breath. I was honored by the trust of the millions of clients and thousands of employees over decades. They have been the center of my life’s work. I am very proud of my record there for more than 40 years. PIMCO is a great firm with lots of great people, and Allianz was a fine owner for many years. But slowly and with great hesitation, I came to understand that it was time for me to leave. It happens sometimes to founders! But that is water under the bridge, as they say. I don’t plan to address it further. Now let’s talk about the future.

October 6, 2014

The Latest on Bill Gross

Filed under: Income Investing,Investing — Bob @ 5:30 pm

Bill Gross, formerly of PIMCO, isn’t moving quietly to his new spot at Janus. He gave an interview to Barron’s that was published over the weekend in which he said that he was happy to be focused primarily on investing instead of all the other tasks that come along with running a major firm. That is consistent with my recent conclusion that Gross was spread to thin at PIMCO. You can read a summary of the interview here.

Then, Jeffrey Gundlach of rival DoubleLine funds gave an interview with Reuters in which he gave more details about his meeting with Gross shortly before his decision to join Janus. It seems clear Gross knew that he was going to be fired at PIMCO and wanted to leave of his own accord.

Gundlach said that Gross called him out of the blue.

“Bill called through the DoubleLine switchboard,” said Gundlach.

Skeptical that it was really Gross, Gundlach said he “told the receptionist to take a number and then call it to verify it was not some prankster. A couple of hours later I called Bill from home.”

In that initial phone conversation, Gundlach said: “Bill came out and told me: ‘Pimco doesn’t want me anymore.’ And I said, ‘That is an unbelievably stupid decision.”’

September 30, 2014

Morningstar vs. Gundlach

Filed under: Income Investing,Investing — Bob @ 12:20 pm

Jeffrey Gundlach of DoubleLine Funds doesn’t like the Morningstar rating service, and they let that show in their ratings of Gundlach’s fund. This article gives the details. (Subscription might be required.) Briefly, Gundlach started to believe that the Morningstar raters didn’t understand his fund and its strategy. He was critical of them publicly and eventually stopped cooperating with Morningstar. An interesting detail in the story is that Gundlach’s rivals at his old firm apparently met with the Morningstar rater a few years ago and gave him some private information that influenced his view of Gundlach.

GUNDLACH’S BITTERNESS towards Morningstar goes back to Dec. 4, 2009, when he lost a power struggle at TCW and was fired. Almost immediately, Jacobson came out with a lengthy report gushing over TCW’s “savvy move” in agreeing at the same time to buy the L.A. bond manager Metropolitan West Asset Management to take over Gundlach’s duties.

Unknown to Gundlach, that same month Morningstar engineered a revote of its Bond Manager of the Year for 2009 after Gundlach won on the first ballot. Loomis Sayles’ Daniel Fuss won on the second ballot after Jacobson, via teleconference from his Kansas City home, hinted to voters that Gundlach and his new start-up DoubleLine were going to be hit by some bad news, according to two people on the conference.

PIMCO Without Bill Gross

Filed under: Income Investing,Investing — Bob @ 8:20 am

A number of articles discuss the details about Bill Gross leaving PIMCO and taking over a very small fund at Janus. This brief piece puts the  move in context. My view is that Gross was too stretched trying to maintain his day to day portfolio management of an ever-growing amount of assets plus trying to manage PIMCO. Like many people who built businesses, he didn’t want to step back, share, and admit his mortality. It’s probably best for PIMCO that Gross is moving on. He built a fine organization, and many strategies and funds at PIMCO were doing quite well without much input from him. Unfortunately, he didn’t manage his exit and leave with dignity.

Yet traders may be overestimating the effect of Gross’ move on both companies. At Pimco, the peculiarities of the 70-year-old Gross’ personal management style were beginning to overshadow his storied success as an investment manager. This was exposed by his widely remarked squabbling with Mohamed El-Erian, the economist who served as co-chief executive and co-chief investment officer with Gross and was once regarded as the latter’s heir-presumptive. El-Erian left Pimco earlier this year.

In the wake of El-Erian’s departure, stories leaked out about Gross’ imperious behavior–traders were forbidden to speak to him or even make eye contact on the trading floor, the Wall Street Journal reported. He brooked no discussion or debate about his trading strategies and became hostile to rising talents on the floor.

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